Still at with two Jews in an empty library....well perhaps two Christians now who knows, and I couldn't care less.
Originally Posted by CuriousAmerican
That said you have a fundamental problem, I'll tell you again because it's not registering with you except for your absurd idea
"I search the Scriptures and come to my own conclusion." CuriousAmerican
and that Sir qualifies you as an ignoramus which is a fact not an ad hominem,
Apparently you did not watch it, these two talked about the paternal line of Jesus did you read that, look at ( At (5:34) it says Jesus’s father…excuse me
Jesus's father having a descent how is this possible it's totally inconsistent with Christian thinking, if God is Jesus father then God cannot be the descendant of King David, the Messiah is to be a descendant of King David, he is to be descendant from the house of David, clan of David, family of King David.
That would mean that God is a descendant of King David...really...that's a good one according to what your two learned shul boys quickly alluded to and ran away from.
What their issue is the several descent lines from two writers of the New Testament, but what the New Testament writers made a mistake in is that the Jews believe that the tribe/family/clan is confirmed by the Paternal line not from the maternal line and if the fathers is God than he has no tribe, clan,or family.
This is your dilemma your problem (bellagon) as they say in Hebrew .
There is no way you can discuss any theological issues if you argue from a false idea and that's what you wish to do and I won't have it because you have nothing to say, it's all deflection and a false argument.
You will have to produce 100% documentation that the clan/family/tribe is based on the female, the mother, the matriarch, not the paternal line, the father, if you cannot produce this, then you are a liar.
I don't care about any of the rest it means nothing because all the verses that are picked from and then manufactured, distorted meanings, created out of whole cloth are not based on any truth and certainly not their original meaning, you people have had 2,000 years to make a fraudulent case and you have done so but you have never been able to answer my challenge,. so you are defeated before leaving the starting gate.
You cannot have a Messiah that is not a descendant of King David and that family/tribe/clan cannot be of a female line.
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*Let's have a real debate, let's do battle with ideas that are your own or your interpretation of what other learned men have said.*
ps if you have nothing that supports your "it's the mother" business then the discussion is over.
pss this paternal root is not just Rabbinical it's fundamental from the beginning long before Rabbis became the rule.
psss Rabbis only became what they were after the Temple was destroyed so your Isaiah business may be a little off.