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    hehe.. what a couple of losers. You Sasuke are of the sore kind. You looked like an entire fool two pages ago by not following a conversation you triggered, by just saying: ok ok ok , u win. hehe.. that's sore losing especially when it ends up me being a 'malla bda3a'. Sore & inflamed .

    Sammy, did you think politics of fear and intimidation work on me, or any Lebanese? Ur a cutie Sammy.

    Sasuke: just as your Sam harris had assumptions unaccounted for, Jon Stweart here has made comedic news based on his real life assumtions, as he always does, but are also not accounted for in the video. It's a comedy news show. Sam however is entirely transparent by omitting so much stuff, and making it look like: hey, those r the facts. Quite sneaky, and biased people like you fall for them.

    As for concrete stuff, yalla I saved a couple pages two days ago. coming next.
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    12 more EU countries warn against trade with Israeli settlements Settlements are illegal under international law, statements say, and dealing with them carries legal and financial risks.

    By Barak Ravid 22:21 03.07.14 0

    Twelve members of the European Union have published warnings over the past day urging their citizens to refrain from engaging in business, economic activity and investment in settlements or bodies connected to the settlements.
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    How the world sees Israel, in one chart

    Updated by Zack Beauchamp on July 29, 2014, 1:20 p.m. ET


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    There've been demonstrations around the world over the war between Israel and Hamas, often against Israel's role in the conflict. So clearly some people feel strongly about the issue, but what does everyone else think? There's data to help answer this. A regular BBC World Service poll on international views of Israel tells us a lot of interesting things about how the country is perceived and its place in the world.
    The BBC poll asks people in 22 countries (plus, some years, a few others) whether they have a "mainly positive" or "mainly negative" view about a list of countries set by the BBC. Here are the results for Israel from the past three years — it's important to look at all of them, because the 2012 survey was conducted before Israel's generally unpopular 2012 aerial campaign in Gaza:





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    There's a lot to pick apart in here, but there are some obvious, consistent findings that are really interesting.
    Most countries have a pretty dim view of Israel's influence on the world

    In almost every country surveyed, over all three years, more people said they had a "mainly negative" than "mainly positive" view of Israel. This was true in every surveyed country in Asia, Europe, and South America.
    The BBC lists a "global average" for each year that shows about two-to-one negative over positive views, although the poll does not specify whether this metric weights for country size.
    Israel is viewed most positively in the United States and sub-Saharan Africa

    It's well known that Israel polls well inside the United States (here's why). But Israel's relatively strong numbers in Ghana and Kenya, as well as its strong result in Nigeria in 2012, might be more surprising.
    There's a few potential explanations. One is that, shortly after Israel's founding, the country made a concerted effort to reach out to sub-Saharan African states. Israel, as University of Ghana political scientists Kwame Boafo-Arthur and E. Gyimah-Boadi explain, was a vocal supporter of decolonization in the 1950s and an early and enthusiastic provider of foreign aid.
    This relationship soured in the 70s and 80s over Israeli support for apartheid South Africa and conflict with Arab states, but Boafo-Arthur and Boadi see a general trend towards improved relations between Israel and African states in the post-Cold War era. About 40 African states either reopened shuttered relations with Israel or established them for the first time, and sub-state economic ties flourished.
    Another potential explanation is more specific to some of the countries in the poll. Both Kenya and Nigeria face serious threats from Islamist militant groups (al-Shabaab and Boko Haram, respectively). This might make them more sympathetic to nations, like Israel, taking aggressive military actions against what they might see as similar threats. Indeed, Kenya and Nigeria are among a small handful of countries around the world whose publics have a net-positive view of America's drone program.
    Public sentiment about Israel doesn't seem to determine a country's Israel-Palestine policy

    While most publics may broadly see Israel negatively, that is not always reflected in government policy. This map, which shows which countries have formal diplomatic relations with just with Israel (blue), just with Palestine (green), or both (grey), is a rough barometer for how governments approach the conflict:

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    The pattern among countries in Europe and the Pacific are particularly striking. These countries' citizens tend to be pretty critical of Israel. French people, for example, hold negative views of Israel over positive by a three-to-one margin. Yet their governments have full diplomatic relations with Israel and do not recognize Palestine as an independent country. The reasons for that are complex and have to do with views of how to adjudicate the conflict as much as with international politics, but the point is that popular views of Israel do not necessarily predict government policy on Israel-Palestine.
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    America Complicit in Israeli War Crimes: US Stands Alone in Vote Against United Nations Inquiry Into Gaza Assault

    Inquiry into "all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law"

    By Sarah Lazare
    Global Research, July 25, 2014

    Resolution passes, despite US opposition, as body approves official inquiry into “all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law”
    The United States was the only country in the world that voted Wednesday against the United Nations investigating human rights violations in Gaza unleashed by Israel’s military assault.
    Of the 47 members of the UN Human Rights Council, 29 nations voted to set up a commission to launch an international, independent inquiry, effectively passing the resolution. Seventeen countries abstained, including Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.
    The inquiry will look at “all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Gaza Strip in the context of military operations conducted since mid June,” according to a statement from the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. The council criticized Israeli military operations for unleashing “widespread, systematic and gross violations of international human rights and fundamental freedoms.”



    U.S. ambassador to the Council, Keith Harper, said he issued the “no” vote because the resolution is a “biased and political instrument” that “will not help” the “cessation of hostilities.”
    But Josh Ruebner, policy director for the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, told Common Dreams that the U.S. vote simply “shows the great extent to which the U.S. goes to protect Israel in international forums from any accountability for its actions, no matter how egregious.” Ruebner added that U.S. claims of imbalance are illegitimate, as the inquiry will investigate human rights violations perpetrated by Hamas as well as Israel.
    Phyllis Bennis, senior fellow at Institute for Policy Studies, told Common Dreams that the U.S. “no” vote is part of a larger pattern. “The U.S. is the reason why the United Nations is not able to play the role its charter requires, which is to stop the scourge of war,” said Bennis. “The U.S. vetoes and threatens to veto in the Security Council, and in arenas like the General Assembly or Human Rights Council where there is no veto, they threaten other countries.”

    The UN resolution comes amid an ever-rising Palestinian death toll, with Gaza Health Ministry official Ashraf al-Qudra reporting Thursday that so far 784 Palestinians have been killed and over 5,000 wounded in Israel’s “Protective Edge” operation. Kyung-Wha Kang, Assistant Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and UN Deputy Emergency Relief Coordinator, estimates that 74 percent of the Palestinians killed are civilians and one-third are children. “One child has been killed each hour in Gaza over the past two days,” Kang said on Wednesday, according to the UN.
    Israel launched air strikes on Palestinians seeking shelter in a UN school in Beit Hanoun in Gaza on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The attack marked at least the fourth time a UN facility in Gaza has been hit since July 8, according to the Guardian. Chris Gunness, spokesperson for the UN Relief and Works Agency, said on Twitter that “Precise co-ordinates of the UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun had been formally given to the Israeli army.”
    Thirty-two Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, and a Thai worker in Israel have died.
    Rubner expressed concern that the U.S. is likely to obstruct any attempt on the part of the Council to hold Israel accountable for war crimes: “What’s likely to happen is same thing with the Goldstone Report and the Human Rights Council inquiry into the attack on the aid flotilla: reports will document the fact that Israel has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity, and the U.S. will use its veto power or threat thereof to prevent the international community from acting on recommendations for accountability.”
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    ammy, did you think politics of fear and intimidation work on me, or any Lebanese? Ur a cutie Sammy.
    Don't know what you are talking about about politics of fear, but here's the thing if you were living in Lebanon and things continue the way they seem to be occuring then you will be subjected to the battle between Sunni Islam ISIS/ISIL or Iranization of Lebanon under the fatman.
    What I gather is you chose the fatman and company..fine others here chose Sunni or variations of the same evil, fine in the end the victor will want you as his prize.
    My bets on ISIS/ISIL or whatever branded names the Caliphate Shiria law head cutters wish to call themselves, now little old you will have his head in a vise soon enough but then you have two things going for you, one you don't live there and two you don't scare easily.
    However, for every Shia that likes a nip or two, every Sunni whose not up at 4 am preparing for morning prayer and every Christian (whatever stripe) celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th or an alternative day this winner is going to squeeze the life out of these people if they don't fight the evil.
    My guess is they won't they will leave or be victims, but you don't " think politics of fear and intimidation work" on you or any other Lebanese...YOSS if you are there when this happens you better hope someone is going to be there to help, if not you are on your own.

    If Israel listened to the likes of you folks who curse it then don't blame them when they stay at home.

    Oh yes I am sure I'll hear the bluster of we can do it without anyone but ourselves, well, I don't think that's a fact anymore, what was true in 1980, I don't see the backbone, if there was you fellows would have never
    allowed the fatman and his horde to operate, but you did and they call themselves resistance...give me a xxxxxxx break.
    Who would claim to be that, who was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOSS View Post
    America Complicit in Israeli War Crimes: US Stands Alone in Vote Against United Nations Inquiry Into Gaza Assault

    Inquiry into "all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law"

    By Sarah Lazare
    Global Research, July 25, 2014

    Resolution passes, despite US opposition, as body approves official inquiry into “all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law”
    The United States was the only country in the world that voted Wednesday against the United Nations investigating human rights violations in Gaza unleashed by Israel’s military assault.
    Of the 47 members of the UN Human Rights Council, 29 nations voted to set up a commission to launch an international, independent inquiry, effectively passing the resolution. Seventeen countries abstained, including Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.
    The inquiry will look at “all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Gaza Strip in the context of military operations conducted since mid June,” according to a statement from the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. The council criticized Israeli military operations for unleashing “widespread, systematic and gross violations of international human rights and fundamental freedoms.”



    U.S. ambassador to the Council, Keith Harper, said he issued the “no” vote because the resolution is a “biased and political instrument” that “will not help” the “cessation of hostilities.”
    But Josh Ruebner, policy director for the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, told Common Dreams that the U.S. vote simply “shows the great extent to which the U.S. goes to protect Israel in international forums from any accountability for its actions, no matter how egregious.” Ruebner added that U.S. claims of imbalance are illegitimate, as the inquiry will investigate human rights violations perpetrated by Hamas as well as Israel.
    Phyllis Bennis, senior fellow at Institute for Policy Studies, told Common Dreams that the U.S. “no” vote is part of a larger pattern. “The U.S. is the reason why the United Nations is not able to play the role its charter requires, which is to stop the scourge of war,” said Bennis. “The U.S. vetoes and threatens to veto in the Security Council, and in arenas like the General Assembly or Human Rights Council where there is no veto, they threaten other countries.”

    The UN resolution comes amid an ever-rising Palestinian death toll, with Gaza Health Ministry official Ashraf al-Qudra reporting Thursday that so far 784 Palestinians have been killed and over 5,000 wounded in Israel’s “Protective Edge” operation. Kyung-Wha Kang, Assistant Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and UN Deputy Emergency Relief Coordinator, estimates that 74 percent of the Palestinians killed are civilians and one-third are children. “One child has been killed each hour in Gaza over the past two days,” Kang said on Wednesday, according to the UN.
    Israel launched air strikes on Palestinians seeking shelter in a UN school in Beit Hanoun in Gaza on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens. The attack marked at least the fourth time a UN facility in Gaza has been hit since July 8, according to the Guardian. Chris Gunness, spokesperson for the UN Relief and Works Agency, said on Twitter that “Precise co-ordinates of the UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun had been formally given to the Israeli army.”
    Thirty-two Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, and a Thai worker in Israel have died.
    Rubner expressed concern that the U.S. is likely to obstruct any attempt on the part of the Council to hold Israel accountable for war crimes: “What’s likely to happen is same thing with the Goldstone Report and the Human Rights Council inquiry into the attack on the aid flotilla: reports will document the fact that Israel has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity, and the U.S. will use its veto power or threat thereof to prevent the international community from acting on recommendations for accountability.”
    YOSS the UN of today is a vipers pit.
    You think not look at the past who goes to Human Rights Programs. This is the same UN that is silent on Africa, Syria, China, North Korea so all the pictures of Monitors don't mean crap.
    The UN by charter is responsible for implementing Article 80 of it's own Charter. If you don't know what that is look it up.

    You can read it in the Charter then move here for a closer view

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/09/22...nian-state”/

    I'll not argue some occupied nonsense.
    But for your information Jerusalem under Partition Plan was to be an International City (Only 10 Years)
    and then a vote if it were to be Jewish or Arab, the Jews said OK, the Arabs rejected it.

    Anyone wish to make an argument please do.....I know the story very well.
    Who would claim to be that, who was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samaritan View Post
    Don't know what you are talking about about politics of fear, but here's the thing if you were living in Lebanon and things continue the way they seem to be occuring then you will be subjected to the battle between Sunni Islam ISIS/ISIL or Iranization of Lebanon under the fatman.
    What I gather is you chose the fatman and company..fine others here chose Sunni or variations of the same evil, fine in the end the victor will want you as his prize.
    My bets on ISIS/ISIL or whatever branded names the Caliphate Shiria law head cutters wish to call themselves, now little old you will have his head in a vise soon enough but then you have two things going for you, one you don't live there and two you don't scare easily.
    However, for every Shia that likes a nip or two, every Sunni whose not up at 4 am preparing for morning prayer and every Christian (whatever stripe) celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th or an alternative day this winner is going to squeeze the life out of these people if they don't fight the evil.
    My guess is they won't they will leave or be victims, but you don't " think politics of fear and intimidation work" on you or any other Lebanese...YOSS if you are there when this happens you better hope someone is going to be there to help, if not you are on your own.

    If Israel listened to the likes of you folks who curse it then don't blame them when they stay at home.

    Oh yes I am sure I'll hear the bluster of we can do it without anyone but ourselves, well, I don't think that's a fact anymore, what was true in 1980, I don't see the backbone, if there was you fellows would have never
    allowed the fatman and his horde to operate, but you did and they call themselves resistance...give me a xxxxxxx break.
    The continuous accusing of someone for being with your enemy for criticizing you, is politics of fear and intimidation example. you not long ago told Kassie he couldn't consider anyone criticizing him to be necessarily against him... Which concludes, you do so where u got a purpose to do so.

    As for my choosing sides and a possible Lebanon conflict, as a Lebanese I do not choose sides. Our country in it's modern form is founded by Bashir II, who also made the iconic move to not involve Lebanon with the Turkish Jazzar nor Napoleon. He's a Sunni convert to Christianity so it may give you clues as to my position.

    As for needing Israel's help in future, well, it's exactly what we should avoid. Israel is after our water & oil and our fully open market. and while our problems are due to this regional initiative, we must remain in the middle. We are a very Key country, and also are the ones who lost a lot, and stand still with the MOST to lose.

    So can it.


    @sasuke; not to you Sir: Sammy is one who is always on point debating me. he reads carefully, and replies show he is quite on point. when he doesn't understand, and calls it "Yossisms", it's because I'd have purposely wanted him to get it by himself.

    You however lose the point is a normal and clear debate with me. It's odd.

    This attacking mode will end, when you re-adjust from personal attacks on me, go back to 'rational' which u liked to project, and focus on the debating, or not to. With many thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOSS View Post
    There's that

    Amy Goodman is a Communist, an anti-Zionist, self hating Jews, she is no more representative of (WE) then your buddies over at Neturei Karta, Satmar or the other minuscule amounts who are Jews and hate Israel.
    Who would claim to be that, who was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samaritan View Post
    YOSS the UN of today is a vipers pit.
    You think not look at the past who goes to Human Rights Programs. This is the same UN that is silent on Africa, Syria, China, North Korea so all the pictures of Monitors don't mean crap.
    The UN by charter is responsible for implementing Article 80 of it's own Charter. If you don't know what that is look it up.

    You can read it in the Charter then move here for a closer view

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/09/22...nian-state”/

    I'll not argue some occupied nonsense.
    But for your information Jerusalem under Partition Plan was to be an International City (Only 10 Years)
    and then a vote if it were to be Jewish or Arab, the Jews said OK, the Arabs rejected it.

    Anyone wish to make an argument please do.....I know the story very well.
    Sam I'll surely read this, but this is more politicking than anything else. Politics are twisting laws to the extent of abusing them like the endless US veto list as a small example, and Palestinians are in such desperate situations that innocent human life compromises became a necessity for them, but is a major no no for me no matter what.

    When I see it happening on both sides, then I put more human rights violation claims on Israel. Simple logic.

    Where there's human rights violations, you'll hear from me.
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